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		<title>By: Douglas Falknor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Falknor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much, Mr. Wade, for writing The Faith Instinct--it is the most important book in my life.  I have wandered aimlessly in the Bible Belt for more than 40 years (It, too, is a desert of sorts.) looking for answers.

The life-long tormenting question: What could possibly give religion the grip on humankind that it has?

For the last decade I&#039;ve been trying to put a similar fictional journey into a novel.  I&#039;ve researched maybe 25 to 30 books touching on the subject: Evolving God, the Evolution of God, Religion Explained, Breaking the Spell, In Gods We Trust and a couple of dozen more relevant books.

Yet none of those books really captures the source of religion.  They are all ancillary factors, but with no core cause among them that’s of a sufficient magnitude to explain religion as the phenomenon we see.  

As all other explanations fell short, including most of those above, they all paid lip service to the evolution of various and sundry aspects that might be behavioral components shared with other human behaviors, e.g.,  If love intoxicates us with dopamine, perhaps, religion intoxicates us similarly in a peak spiritual experience--mystical/epiphany.  This love buzz could have been co-opted by some newer genes-of-the-neural-net complex and put to use serving the rapturous born again feeling.

You have delivered to me, Mr. Wade, as great an insight (though, yes, I was converging on a spot somewhere in the territory) as Darwin did.

I&#039;m going to that Daniel Dennett/Scientific Study of Religion conference in December.  I suppose I&#039;ll be frustrated to hear weak reasons why none of them think religion (religiosity/spiritual drive) was an evolutionary adaptation.  

It&#039;s like they&#039;re not paying attention.   Every human culture has religion, no exception.  A counter argument: Europe is becoming secular.  Agreed, religions have life cycles--the waning of any particular religion can and will happen.  The drive, the felt need, is going to go on in spite of the death of a religion.    New modes of being spiritual will rise.  (Can you hear them saying, “I’m spiritual, but not religious.”?

Tenacity.  Believers aren&#039;t just hoping for wish fulfillment.  They&#039;re highly invested.  As mentioned in a post, above, there are many believers who will kill or be killed for their religion.

There are a lot more reasons that show why religion is an evolutionary adaptation and they&#039;re going into my book.   For more evidence, though, one only has to look around.  The hints are everywhere in the culture that show the strength, stamina, and tenacity of religion.  Sacred writings that say “Kill the infidel.” Preachers pinpointing the day of destruction.  Those directly inspired: &quot;I saw God by______ (fasting, eating peyote buttons, repetitious rhythmic dancing for hours).&quot;

No other theory/hypothesis has the explanatory power that the Faith Instinct brings to bear.  
Of  the few people I’ve  discussed it with (remember, I’m in Ohio where every third person is an evangelical Christian) I’m getting blank stares.  
I haven&#039;t met any &quot;neutral&quot; people who are aware of it.  Probably most believers aren&#039;t going to warm up to it; I can&#039;t say for sure.   It seems like the atheists don&#039;t want to admit religion might have ever been good for humankind.  For me, the truth will eventually have to be faced.  At least in science, that eventually happens.  There are a few rock star scientists that have an agenda.   Looks like you need to &quot;teach the controversy.&quot;  I was at the American Atheist Alliance/Texas Freethought Convention in early October.  From what I could tell, most were open to it there.

Mr. Wade, you probably didn&#039;t need an editor; I do.  Can you recommend one?  A nonbeliever would be more comfortable with my work.

secularholyman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, Mr. Wade, for writing The Faith Instinct&#8211;it is the most important book in my life.  I have wandered aimlessly in the Bible Belt for more than 40 years (It, too, is a desert of sorts.) looking for answers.</p>
<p>The life-long tormenting question: What could possibly give religion the grip on humankind that it has?</p>
<p>For the last decade I&#8217;ve been trying to put a similar fictional journey into a novel.  I&#8217;ve researched maybe 25 to 30 books touching on the subject: Evolving God, the Evolution of God, Religion Explained, Breaking the Spell, In Gods We Trust and a couple of dozen more relevant books.</p>
<p>Yet none of those books really captures the source of religion.  They are all ancillary factors, but with no core cause among them that’s of a sufficient magnitude to explain religion as the phenomenon we see.  </p>
<p>As all other explanations fell short, including most of those above, they all paid lip service to the evolution of various and sundry aspects that might be behavioral components shared with other human behaviors, e.g.,  If love intoxicates us with dopamine, perhaps, religion intoxicates us similarly in a peak spiritual experience&#8211;mystical/epiphany.  This love buzz could have been co-opted by some newer genes-of-the-neural-net complex and put to use serving the rapturous born again feeling.</p>
<p>You have delivered to me, Mr. Wade, as great an insight (though, yes, I was converging on a spot somewhere in the territory) as Darwin did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to that Daniel Dennett/Scientific Study of Religion conference in December.  I suppose I&#8217;ll be frustrated to hear weak reasons why none of them think religion (religiosity/spiritual drive) was an evolutionary adaptation.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like they&#8217;re not paying attention.   Every human culture has religion, no exception.  A counter argument: Europe is becoming secular.  Agreed, religions have life cycles&#8211;the waning of any particular religion can and will happen.  The drive, the felt need, is going to go on in spite of the death of a religion.    New modes of being spiritual will rise.  (Can you hear them saying, “I’m spiritual, but not religious.”?</p>
<p>Tenacity.  Believers aren&#8217;t just hoping for wish fulfillment.  They&#8217;re highly invested.  As mentioned in a post, above, there are many believers who will kill or be killed for their religion.</p>
<p>There are a lot more reasons that show why religion is an evolutionary adaptation and they&#8217;re going into my book.   For more evidence, though, one only has to look around.  The hints are everywhere in the culture that show the strength, stamina, and tenacity of religion.  Sacred writings that say “Kill the infidel.” Preachers pinpointing the day of destruction.  Those directly inspired: &#8220;I saw God by______ (fasting, eating peyote buttons, repetitious rhythmic dancing for hours).&#8221;</p>
<p>No other theory/hypothesis has the explanatory power that the Faith Instinct brings to bear.<br />
Of  the few people I’ve  discussed it with (remember, I’m in Ohio where every third person is an evangelical Christian) I’m getting blank stares.<br />
I haven&#8217;t met any &#8220;neutral&#8221; people who are aware of it.  Probably most believers aren&#8217;t going to warm up to it; I can&#8217;t say for sure.   It seems like the atheists don&#8217;t want to admit religion might have ever been good for humankind.  For me, the truth will eventually have to be faced.  At least in science, that eventually happens.  There are a few rock star scientists that have an agenda.   Looks like you need to &#8220;teach the controversy.&#8221;  I was at the American Atheist Alliance/Texas Freethought Convention in early October.  From what I could tell, most were open to it there.</p>
<p>Mr. Wade, you probably didn&#8217;t need an editor; I do.  Can you recommend one?  A nonbeliever would be more comfortable with my work.</p>
<p>secularholyman</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Pelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx for another great writing. Where else could anyone get that kind of information in such a perfect way of writing? I have a presentation next week, and I am on the look for such information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx for another great writing. Where else could anyone get that kind of information in such a perfect way of writing? I have a presentation next week, and I am on the look for such information.</p>
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		<title>By: mary pruitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary pruitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 08:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unclear as to what Dr. Kurth means when he writes, &quot;The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.&quot; A contaminant makes the original state of something  impure.  To say that a moral sense of right and wrong, good and evil, constructive and destructive, defiles religion is to say that the soul defiles man.  Without &#039;moral sense,&#039; there is no religion.  Even atheists&#039; have beliefs (religion) that are infused with a moral sense of right and wrong: it&#039;s wrong to attribute our acceptance of good and rejection of evil to a god.
I do believe we are hard-wired to search for our Creator.  If we accept that we are hard-wired to seek out water when we&#039;re thirsty, why would we not be equally likely to seek out the One who could quench our spiritual thirst?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unclear as to what Dr. Kurth means when he writes, &#8220;The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.&#8221; A contaminant makes the original state of something  impure.  To say that a moral sense of right and wrong, good and evil, constructive and destructive, defiles religion is to say that the soul defiles man.  Without &#8216;moral sense,&#8217; there is no religion.  Even atheists&#8217; have beliefs (religion) that are infused with a moral sense of right and wrong: it&#8217;s wrong to attribute our acceptance of good and rejection of evil to a god.<br />
I do believe we are hard-wired to search for our Creator.  If we accept that we are hard-wired to seek out water when we&#8217;re thirsty, why would we not be equally likely to seek out the One who could quench our spiritual thirst?</p>
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		<title>By: harvey golden</title>
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		<dc:creator>harvey golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always used the the &quot;rule&quot; that a behavior which has been present in all human societies over space and time is hard wired. That is, if the behavior is present in all human societies everywhere and always, it&#039;s genetic. The expression varies, but within limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always used the the &#8220;rule&#8221; that a behavior which has been present in all human societies over space and time is hard wired. That is, if the behavior is present in all human societies everywhere and always, it&#8217;s genetic. The expression varies, but within limits.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Baldwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick
Do you answer these comments?
It is way too late to separate the innate from the socially acquired, but I see no objection to a polymorphism predisposing towards irrational belief!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick<br />
Do you answer these comments?<br />
It is way too late to separate the innate from the socially acquired, but I see no objection to a polymorphism predisposing towards irrational belief!</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Kurth, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederick Kurth, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Wade,

You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?

29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted that the Deity had inscribed a moral sense in all of us, separating us from the lower animals. If true, this would introduce an ontologic discontinuity in the evolution of man, smashing to smithereens Darwin&#039;s theory.

From a lifetime of listening to folks as a country doc, psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, the evidence suggests the Moral Sense comes innate, probably evolved over the last million years as a consequence of group life, whereas the religious experience is a latter-day version of the care we require as infants. The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.

Frederick Kurth, M.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Wade,</p>
<p>You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?</p>
<p>29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted that the Deity had inscribed a moral sense in all of us, separating us from the lower animals. If true, this would introduce an ontologic discontinuity in the evolution of man, smashing to smithereens Darwin&#8217;s theory.</p>
<p>From a lifetime of listening to folks as a country doc, psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, the evidence suggests the Moral Sense comes innate, probably evolved over the last million years as a consequence of group life, whereas the religious experience is a latter-day version of the care we require as infants. The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.</p>
<p>Frederick Kurth, M.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Kurth, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederick Kurth, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Wade,

You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?

29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted thatDear Dr. Wade,the Deity had inscribed a moral sense in all of us, separating us from the lower animals. If true, this would introduce an ontologic discontinuity in the evolution of man, smashing to smithereens Darwin&#039;s theory.

From a lifetime of listening to folks as a country doc, psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, the evidence suggests the Moral Sense comes innate, probably evolved over the last million years as a consequence of group life, whereas the religious experience is a latter-day version of the care we require as infants. The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.

Frederick Kurth, M.D.

You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?

29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Wade,</p>
<p>You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?</p>
<p>29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted thatDear Dr. Wade,the Deity had inscribed a moral sense in all of us, separating us from the lower animals. If true, this would introduce an ontologic discontinuity in the evolution of man, smashing to smithereens Darwin&#8217;s theory.</p>
<p>From a lifetime of listening to folks as a country doc, psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, the evidence suggests the Moral Sense comes innate, probably evolved over the last million years as a consequence of group life, whereas the religious experience is a latter-day version of the care we require as infants. The Moral Sense is the chief contaminant of the religious experience, pitting the group against the individual.</p>
<p>Frederick Kurth, M.D.</p>
<p>You raise a profound question: do we come wired for religion?</p>
<p>29 years of age, at the height of his creative powers, Darwin wrestled mightily with this problem. The received scientific wisdom of his day insisted that</p>
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		<title>By: David Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you believe the traditional Martin Luther concept that faith in God is &#039;imposed on people from the outside, the divine source&#039;the basis for religious belief is simple. Human beings developed the basis for abstract language, and abstract thought, early on- maybe 100,000 years ago. It was necessary for small bands of weak, ill armed humans to deal with predators and track down foraging and game. For thousands of years hunter gathers had enormous amount of time on their hands. The truth about &#039;hunting/gathering&#039; is that it does not take a lot out of your day. What do people do with a lot of time on their hands? They talk. No one likes to be board so they make up things. The more fascinating the story the more attnetion they get. Humans are prone to seek out the fascinating story (like readers of the Inquirer). They are also inclined to believe what they are told- like pre-adolescents being told not to eat particular plants because they are poisonous. 100,000 years later you get the Catechism. This is all laid out in books like The Evolution of God and the God Delusion. Not much you will find on this in the human genome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you believe the traditional Martin Luther concept that faith in God is &#8216;imposed on people from the outside, the divine source&#8217;the basis for religious belief is simple. Human beings developed the basis for abstract language, and abstract thought, early on- maybe 100,000 years ago. It was necessary for small bands of weak, ill armed humans to deal with predators and track down foraging and game. For thousands of years hunter gathers had enormous amount of time on their hands. The truth about &#8216;hunting/gathering&#8217; is that it does not take a lot out of your day. What do people do with a lot of time on their hands? They talk. No one likes to be board so they make up things. The more fascinating the story the more attnetion they get. Humans are prone to seek out the fascinating story (like readers of the Inquirer). They are also inclined to believe what they are told- like pre-adolescents being told not to eat particular plants because they are poisonous. 100,000 years later you get the Catechism. This is all laid out in books like The Evolution of God and the God Delusion. Not much you will find on this in the human genome.</p>
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		<title>By: Don LIston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don LIston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion and faith are not subjects of interest to me. I do think that we are religious because, as our intellects developed from the mutation of the FoxP2 Forkhead, we became aware of death in a more intellectual sense and, in so doing became caught up in the idea of surviving death in some way. The became an opportunity for those who saw our condition to persuade us that they could deliver us from death if we would do as they told us to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion and faith are not subjects of interest to me. I do think that we are religious because, as our intellects developed from the mutation of the FoxP2 Forkhead, we became aware of death in a more intellectual sense and, in so doing became caught up in the idea of surviving death in some way. The became an opportunity for those who saw our condition to persuade us that they could deliver us from death if we would do as they told us to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important drive all living animals and plants on this planet have in common is the urge to take care that the own species does not die out. Every species has their own strategy: mammals have sex and giving protection and providing shelter to next generations, who then continue the good work etc. Biirds, insects, fishes have their own strategies. This is the only goal and purpose in the lifes of all members belonging to such species, be it animal or otherwise. Humans, like other animals, have been successful in doing so (more than others hence there are so may of us nowadays) because they have been provided by evolution with the tools to become so dominant in the animal world (brains, speech, the ability to make tools and many others). 
I have read your book The Faith Instinct in the Dutch translation and agree fully with you, that faith is another such tool in the evolution of man and has played a major role in this process.Thank you for pointing this out to me in your enlightening book. I am surprised to read that the Templeton Foundation has subsidised it. They are very orthodox creationist I always have been informed. And do not believe in evolution at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important drive all living animals and plants on this planet have in common is the urge to take care that the own species does not die out. Every species has their own strategy: mammals have sex and giving protection and providing shelter to next generations, who then continue the good work etc. Biirds, insects, fishes have their own strategies. This is the only goal and purpose in the lifes of all members belonging to such species, be it animal or otherwise. Humans, like other animals, have been successful in doing so (more than others hence there are so may of us nowadays) because they have been provided by evolution with the tools to become so dominant in the animal world (brains, speech, the ability to make tools and many others).<br />
I have read your book The Faith Instinct in the Dutch translation and agree fully with you, that faith is another such tool in the evolution of man and has played a major role in this process.Thank you for pointing this out to me in your enlightening book. I am surprised to read that the Templeton Foundation has subsidised it. They are very orthodox creationist I always have been informed. And do not believe in evolution at all.</p>
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